Unfortunately, this fact was simply the end result of a string of logical decisions, and not something that anyone had planned for. The engineering specifications speak only of a five-pound oxygen environment, and neither Storms nor Charlie Feltz nor anyone else in top management had any idea that there were three men sitting inside the command module surrounded by pure oxygen at sixteen pounds per square inch?
If Toby Freedman had discovered it, he would have grabbed the phone and screamed at them to hold everything. Toby was a doctor, and every doctor knows of hospital stories involving oxygen fires. True, Toby had signed off on the idea of pure oxygen in the command module, but only at NASA's insistence and then he was under the impression that they were talking about oxygen at five pounds per square inch.
At five pounds the pressure inside the command module in orbit a lighted cigarette would merely burn rapidly; at sixteen pounds, the cigarette would vanish in a flash along with all your hair and your clothes as well."
Yet in the July-August 1964 Journal of Spacecraft and Rockets, NAA's Dr. Frank J. Hendel put in an article in which he says this about pure oxygen: "it presents a fire hazard, which is especially great on the launching pad, when the cabin is purged with oxygen at 14.7psia"
Why does NAA claim they thought NASA was doing the test at only 5psi, when as early as 1964 one of their own engineers stated that he knew its done at sea level pressure?
For a start, we are talking about a quote from a biography written by one person. It gives the impression that Harrison Storms did not know about the test. Is this correct, or is it a mistake by the biographer?
The second quote seems to indicate NAA knew about a raised pressure test. So what is correct?
When a spacecraft is received from the contractor, in this case North American Aviation (NAA), it undergoes a number of tests to ensure that the product delivered meets the contracted specifications. Command Module 012 was no different:
- 26 AUG 66 - CM012 received at KSC and mated with service module for certification checks.
- 10-11 OCT 66 - CM012 undergoes unmanned acceptance tests in air at sea-level pressure. Test discontinued to replace bent umbilical pins.
- 12-13 OCT 66 - Unmanned test continues.
- 14-15 OCT 66 - Unmanned test using 100% oxygen and at flight altitude pressures (16.7 PSI or greater).
- 18 OCT 66 - Manned test (with Grissom / White / Chaffee) using 100% oxygen and at flight altitude pressure. Test discontinued after reaching simulated altitude of 13,000 feet due transistor failure in an inverter.
- 19 OCT 66 - Inverter replaced and manned test continued.
- 21 OCT 66 - Manned test (with backup crew) using 100% oxygen and at flight altitude pressure. Test discontinued due failure in oxygen system regulator in the Environmental Control Unit (ECU). The regulator was removed and discovered to have a design deficiency.
- 27 OCT 66 - The ECU was returned to NAA for rectification.
- 14 DEC 66 - ECU returned for testing but developed further leaks in the water / glycol circuit. Returned to NAA. Finally returned 14 DEC.
- 27-28 DEC 66 - Unmanned sea-level and altitude pressure tests conducted.
- 29-30 DEC 66 - Manned tests (with backup crew) using 100% oxygen and at flight altitude pressure.
So yes, NAA knew about the test conditions. The biographer has made an error.
For a start, we are talking about a quote from a biography written by one person. It gives the impression that Harrison Storms did not know about the test. Is this correct, or is it a mistake by the biographer?”
ReplyDeleteThe entire book was written based off interviews that Charley Feltz, Toby Freedman and Harrison Storms and various other NAA officials had given the author. And Harrison Storms himself let Mike Gray put his name on the book.
18 OCT 66 - Manned test (with Grissom / White / Chaffee) using 100% oxygen and at flight altitude pressure. Test discontinued after reaching simulated altitude of 13,000 feet due transistor failure in an inverter.
Would this be the same acceptance test where Grissom complained about the amount of Velcro in the spacecraft? You know, the Velcro that Shea and Storms blamed Grissom and the crew for putting there.
Gray wrote about this acceptance test in his book also.
So yes, NAA knew about the test conditions. The biographer has made an error.
The biographer can only work with the information the interviewees gave him. Are you claiming that Storms knowingly gave him the wrong information?
Are you saying that NAA was NOT aware? That Storms or other people were knowingly excluded from this knowledge? If so, could you provide some proof of such.
ReplyDeleteAre you saying that NAA was NOT aware?
ReplyDeleteI am saying that they were very aware of what pressure NASA was using to begin with, and now they falsely claim they thought NASA was doing the test at only 5psi.
Apart from this comment from the biographer - which was not a direct quote, BTW - can you provide ANY proof that NAA / Storms / etc did not know that the test was being conducted at above 5 PSI? There are numerous references to the test procedure, which was signed off on by NAA.
ReplyDeleteLet's do a little thought experiment; Shall we?
ReplyDeleteWe'll pretend for a moment that Jarrah white is correct in his assertion that man never went to the moon (Nine times {seven if you only count lunar landings}).
So on nine occasions NASA, faked expeditions to orbit and eventually land on the moon. They were able to fake this so convincingly, that not only did they hoodwink a believing population, but also their arch rivals the Soviet Union. At a time during the cold war, when the Russians would have done anything to give Uncle Sam a poke in the eye, and yet if any one was going to call shenanigans, they didn’t. Jarrah would have us believe that an organisation with the ability to pull of the biggest hoax of the Twentieth Century, was at the same time criminally negligent enough, to allow data into the public domain that has allowed him (JW) to finally blow the whistle on their duplicity. If this is the case why have the Russians remained quiet? Why have not the Chinese, the North Koreans, or any other pretender to the mantle of World Leader blown the whistle? The only logical conclusion that can be reached is; we went to The Moon and there is no evidence to the contrary.
Conclusion; Jarrah white = FAIL
Oh well, you can’t win them all. So in the time honoured tradition of conspiracy theorists, let’s ignore that conclusion for the moment and push on; Shall we?
According to Jarrah white, NASA must be one of the most ruthless organisations on the planet. Wilfully destroying millions (if not billions) of dollars worth of equipment and murdering, highly qualified (and expensively trained) personnel in order to maintain, the fiction that they made successful landing mission and three orbital missions to the moon. Hard to believe; I know, but let’s follow Jarrah white a little further down this particular Rabbit burrow shall we? So how would an organisation that has the ability and resources to pull of the greatest swindle in the history of man, keep it’s dirty little secret quite?
If I had that ability and was assigned that task, I don’t think I’d be doing it by immolating the whistle blowers in an oxygen rich environment or blowing them up with six of their (presumably reliable) colleges, in full public view. No I think it would be something quite and subtle, a car accident or mysterious and lethal virus, or perhaps even a poison tipped umbrella.
Conclusion; Jarrah white = POWNED
Oh well, in for a penny in for a pound. Let’s continue our little adventure and take one last step through the looking glass with our friend.
Once again let’s stick with tradition and ignore the mounting piles of evidence against us, and blindly push on into the unknown. Given that the moon landing are a hoax, and that NASA is ruthless in shutting down leaks that threaten to expose it’s audacious hoax, there can be only one conclusion, and I’m afraid that for Jarrah white it’s not looking good.
Conclusion; Jarrah white = In serious danger.
So on nine occasions NASA, faked expeditions to orbit and eventually land on the moon. They were able to fake this so convincingly, that not only did they hoodwink a believing population, but also their arch rivals the Soviet Union. At a time during the cold war, when the Russians would have done anything to give Uncle Sam a poke in the eye, and yet if any one was going to call shenanigans, they didn’t. Jarrah would have us believe that an organisation with the ability to pull of the biggest hoax of the Twentieth Century, was at the same time criminally negligent enough, to allow data into the public domain that has allowed him (JW) to finally blow the whistle on their duplicity. If this is the case why have the Russians remained quiet? Why have not the Chinese, the North Koreans, or any other pretender to the mantle of World Leader blown the whistle? The only logical conclusion that can be reached is; we went to The Moon and there is no evidence to the contrary.
ReplyDeleteAlready debunked in my videos. The US has been supplying the Russians with wheat since the early 1960's and they are now working together on various joint-space missions throughout the history. I.e. ASTP, MIR and ISS.
And Alexei Leonov has been caught lying to defend Apollo. Claiming he was in Moscow tracking signals direct from Apollo - all during a time when Moscow was historically not in line of sight with the moon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma4-pqng8ZM
The Chinese are the United State's greatest trade partner, and North Korea is in cahoots with China - everyone knows that.
And as far as murdering the astronauts goes: it wouldn't have mattered if three people were killed or thirty people were killed, because the program would have continued with little more than a moment's pause.
"I don't think the fire delayed the first lunar landing one day, because it took until mid-1969 to get all the problems solved in areas completely unrelated to the fire." - Michael Collins, page275 Carrying The Fire.
>>>>Already debunked in my videos. The US has been supplying the Russians with wheat since the early 1960's and they are now <<<<
ReplyDeleteYou want us to believe the Cold War never happened and all along Uncle Sam and Boris were the best of pals??
Behind the scenes they're like; "Hey Boris you don't say anything about us faking a trip to the moon, and we'll give you a whole bunch of wheat."
Whilst in the public arena they're like; "we'll bury you."
That has got to be one of the most ludicrous propositions I've seen anywhere on the internet.
Perhaps you could explain to us if they are able to pull off all these amazingly sophisticated hoaxes and scams, and are so pathological about maintaining this fiction;
a)They haven't give YouTube a "Take Down" order on your channel?
b)There hasn't been a physical "Take Down" order issued against yourself?
I'd say the fact that neither of these things has happened speaks volumes for the facile nature of your position.
You want us to believe the Cold War never happened and all along Uncle Sam and Boris were the best of pals??
ReplyDeleteBehind the scenes they're like; "Hey Boris you don't say anything about us faking a trip to the moon, and we'll give you a whole bunch of wheat."
Whilst in the public arena they're like; "we'll bury you."
That has got to be one of the most ludicrous propositions I've seen anywhere on the internet.
You are more than welcome to read the October 18th 1963 Time Magazine and October 27th 1972 National Review that clearly documents these wheat deals between the US and USSR. It’s no different to all the free-trade deals between the US and China today. China’s supposed to be the enemy, and let the government is allowing them to leach off the US economy and China gets kicked off the United States’ list of human rights violators.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZN3PI7HRvU
a)They haven't give YouTube a "Take Down" order on your channel?
b)There hasn't been a physical "Take Down" order issued against yourself?
When I started my new account, Gray again tried to get me pulled from youtube using his old DMCA abuse tactics.
>>>You are more than welcome to read the October 18th 1963 Time Magazine and October 27th 1972 National Review that clearly documents these wheat deals between the US and USSR. It’s no different to all the free-trade deals between the US and China today. China’s supposed to be the enemy, and let the government is allowing them to leach off the US economy and China gets kicked off the United States’ list of human rights violators.<<<<<<
ReplyDeleteSo, show me the Quid Pro Quo, were the Russians agree to STFU about Apollo. I don't want to see a link to a YouTube video of dubious veracity, I want to see a link to an independent source. When I say independent, I mean a recognised news organisation.
So far all you have is a half truth and suposition. The sheer scale of the conspiracy that you are proposing means, that it would leak worse that a Godwin Grech fit up. In 40 years there has been no credible witness to support this.
>>>>When I started my new account, Gray again tried to get me pulled from youtube using his old DMCA abuse tactics.<<<<
Why would an organisation with the reach and clout you allege they have operate through a third party?
If they had the sort of powers you believe they have, your account would have disappeared with no trace, or explanation. Your IP address would have been permanently blocked. They would simply be playing wack-a-mole with you every time you pop up; your account, your videos, and everything else would simply vanish into the ether, no trace, no explanation.
The fact that none of this has happened, to date, tells me that you are simply boxing with shadows dredged up from the depth of your own delusions.
If I may add a few thoughts on the deal to buy off the USSR, non goer for a start. I am not the anonymous above, Tedward off another forum.
ReplyDeleteIf you want to throw in trade agreements or wheat deals as proof the USSR kept quiet then you must also consider the darker side and not rule it out to fit your conspiracy and certainly look at why they were done (trade deals). The real side that was the cold war, real people died. I think there are many things behind these deals and that includes keeping the enemy sweet. Feed them or they march for food, have you ruled that out? Read about what they did in places like Czechoslovakia? Or maybe Hungary? Now you are suggesting that the US divulged a big secret to such a state and entrusted them with it? Would you do that? Tell your enemy something that you would have no control over its destination and eventual end? Brezhnev did a number on Khrushchev for example, guarantees are very thin on the ground in this type of state and not worth the paper they were written on. Before Brezhnev, Cuba did not go down well with Khrushchev and the USSR, talk about rubbing someone's nose in it. Then you go on to ask them to hide a hoax?
Also do not forget this is a time where you had armies in Europe squaring up to each other, Germany was a training ground for NATO. You had subs playing tag in the depths and collisions for their pains of tracking each other. Spying on a grand scale and nation manipulation in an attempt to get one over on the other. Aswan dam for example, politics fighting over construction. Political machinations in various countries also resulted in bloody wars and conflicts armed by the two sides and egged on.
Political kudos and the spy game would have ensured that and fake was rooted out and outed to the world and what a fancy on a plate for the Kremlin to use. Superb coup in a world that lived on propaganda, any nation states that were neutral but you thought you could sway and you could tout this out. Lets us sell you arms/building projects engineers etc, look at America. They lie, don't trust them.
The siren tests in the UK were for real and a reminder that the world is not as simple as people would have it
The other Anonymous
ReplyDeleteFrom; http://www.boingboing.net/2009/09/11/new-book-on-conspira.html
As former Nixon aide G. Gordon Liddy once told me (and he should know!), the problem with government conspiracies is that bureaucrats are incompetent and people can’t keep their mouths shut. Complex conspiracies are difficult to pull off, and so many people want their quarter hour of fame that even the Men in Black couldn’t squelch the squealers from spilling the beans. So there’s a good chance that the more elaborate a conspiracy theory is, and the more people that would need to be involved, the less likely it is true.
He Jarrah!
ReplyDeleteIf the astronauts where safe on a secret sound stage. Then why did William Safire need to draft a "Just in case they don't return" speach for Nixon???
http://www.boingboing.net/2009/09/28/speech-safire-wrote.html